Exciting on-air debate with Richard Gage, AIA, of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth and Michael Shermer of Skeptic Magazine on Oakland’s KKGN 960am radio this last Thursday, September 18th. Listen Here 

Ken
November 8, 2007
WeAreChangeSeattle.org

For an hour today, Thom Hatmann had a productive and well represented debate about the generalized two major different conspiracy hypotheses:

• al-Qaeda (aka the Mujahadeen) planned and executed all events of the attacks of 9/11 and our military and federal agencies all failed in their duties.
• al-Qaeda (aka the Mujahadeen) played some unknown measure of a role in the attacks of 9/11 along with some unknown measure of a role also being enacted by elements within the U.S. federal government and possibly other national government(s).

Mr. Ryan was patient and tried to keep on pertinent points and often times took Mr. Shermer by surprise at the direction of the discussion. Why is this? In past debates, where Mr. Shermer was involved, he or others who are supportive of “the official story” get to both setup/frame the direction of the debate and then typically get the last response, enabling them to end each point of discussion further framing it and often smearing or scoffing at the other side of the debate. Mr. Shermer also seemed specifically surprised that the discussion went to non-strawman and non-hypothetical discussion. In fact, Mr. Shermer often made unfounded hypothetical judgements, theoretical statements and strawman arguments, a fact which he was called on once or twice by Mr. Ryan.

It quickly became clear that this pillar supporter of “the official story”, Mr. Shermer, has built his entire set of arguments around assertions no serious person in the Truth Movement asserts, though he (and others) pretend they do, and that he cannot counter simple logic, simple science and physics nor address geo-political and economic issues surrounding the 9/11 cover-up. Mr. Shermer has officially been discredited. Who ever has the next 9/11 debate, please get a stronger debater to parrot “the official story”, someone with some intelligence who can actually debate coherently when not allowed to steer the debate to his strawman talking points.

Following are two mp3s, the first hour is the debate and the second hour includes many callers to the show with their responses to the debate from the previous hour.

The Debate mp3

The Callers mp3

It is interesting that, as mentioned in Rep. Kucinich’s impeachment documents for bringing justice to VP Cheney (refer to video at 22:53 in), apparently our government is currently supporting the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan enabling them to launch attacks on Iranian police and military troops along the border (a proxy war). So, if our creation turned against us on 9/11, why are we still working with them?